A Thought...

What I write here are my honest views, and are not written with an intention to hurt ANYONE, in ANY WAY at all... if you have a problem with ANYTHING written here by ANYONE, please let me know...

I don't need a God in my life... I have myself and my own strength, my own beliefs, 'laws' about life that I abide by... ones that let me sleep without feeling guilty... I don't want to be another sheep being herded by the sheepdog Religion... there are some things that mean a lot to me, and my own beliefs and thoughts are one of them. I don't see any reason why I should compromise on them because someone else decides that 'God' is our boss... it seems rather foolish to me to impose a view which is not based on any facts at all, onto others...  I am my own 'God', although I don't see myself as a God of my own life... I am the one who decides the rights and wrongs in my life. I need neither a holy book nor a set of ideas about life thrust upon me by ANYONE... family, friends, well-wishers...

And you know what? I love it. I love the freedom that comes with being an atheist. I love being able to see the world through my own eyes, and not a pair of lenses that have been given to me...

Feedback people...

I agree with you Boo. I do believe there if some sort of power, but I'm not brought up with the faith in God...

As I see how "limited" people who believe in God can think... Not all of them of course, but some always say "because" if you ask them questions about life, and everyhing that has to do with it.

It's hard for me to believe in a God. When something really bad happens to me, I just can't say: It's Gods will, and than go on with my life. I sometime admire people who can, but it does not work for me.

I don't want to say I'm an atheist, definately not, but most of the time, I don't really feel a need to have any religion in my life. Most of the time I think as human beings, we have enough brains en sensibilaty, to see what's right and wrong.

Example: My best friend used to have a boyfriend, years ago. We were pretty young, but she really love him at that moment, so she decide to sleep with him. After a long time, the relationship ended..

In most religions, she's "damned". if she wants to become christian (she's an atheist as well),she should feel sorry for what she did, and she should suffer from that for th rest of her life and beyond.

But at the moment she really loved that boy, she only loved him, and the relationship felt right. Who is God than to say she did something wrong?? It's up to her to decide if she has to feel sorry about it or not. She has to face herself, and if she's ok with herself, than it's fine.

I hope you get my point a bit...

Am Rani:

Example: My best friend used to have a boyfriend, years ago. We were pretty young, but she really love him at that moment, so she decide to sleep with him. After a long time, the relationship ended..

In most religions, she's "damned". if she wants to become christian (she's an atheist as well),she should feel sorry for what she did, and she should suffer from that for th rest of her life and beyond.

But at the moment she really loved that boy, she only loved him, and the relationship felt right. Who is God than to say she did something wrong?? It's up to her to decide if she has to feel sorry about it or not. She has to face herself, and if she's ok with herself, than it's fine.

wow... you have said something which I did not post up in this thread... I am going to post it now... let me know what you think about it...

But there is no actual proof of God… and when people say that God is in their hearts, I simply cannot argue with that. Because feelings are crazy, illogical… they need neither rhyme nor reason to just… be. And if they want to keep ‘God’ in them, then they can do so… but what irks me is RELIGION. The idea of RELIGION itself… the idea that some individuals can create rules for other people to follow, and the ‘society’ following them. I don’t see anything ‘true’ (for want of a better word? ‘Pure’? I don’t know… I hope you get what I mean…) in that…Examples? The simple, pointless things… the ones that have nothing to do with ‘God’, but are simply the s h i t of society that people are expected to carry around with them… the idea of no s e x before marriage, for instance… . These have NOTHING whatsoever to do with having someone out there to look for for guidance and support (this being ‘God’, of course). THIS is what I am against.

I also want to react to this thread, because I am religious... In my point of view I'm not limitated because I believe in God... And I do not also follow someone or something like a blind sheep... In church the societies sometimes control each other too much.. It's the same in my church, and I really don't believe in that... I believe in God, I respect what's in the Bible and it's a Guide for me throught life, but believing in God does not depands on the fact if you're wearing a skirt or a hat or whatever... It depands on what you feel in your heart and what you do...

I feel Gods love in my heart, eventhough something really bad happens... All the bad things came into this world because of us, the human beings, and God is watching over us.. That doesn't mean we can't get sick or die, but it means we have a Friend who stands by us no matter what... And he has a plan with us.. When God sometimes closes a door, He opens a window... I can believe in that, and it helps me through the rough times...

Once, when I was doubting my relationship, because I thought I was in love with someone else too, I asked God to show me the way and to show me for which guy I had to choose... Through different signs he showed me that I should stay together with my b/f and to really go for him, and not for the other person... Or when my b/f is away and I feel really sad, I pray to God if He can stand by me and make me feel better, and after a while I feel some peace coming over me and I'm feeling better... I do also believe God uses people for that... When I feel sad I can also come to a friend like Am Rani... I believe God has given me her and my other friends to get through the rough times on earth and to bring joy in my life... It's His way to make me happy...

And the guidelines, told in the ten demands, are just to guide you through this world and to make the world better, not to restrict you in life...

And about se.x before marriage... I really doubt about the fact if you can or can't do that... It says nowhere in the Bible that you can't, but also nowhere that you can (it only says you can be hoo.ker or something, but I think that's normal)... My b/f is very religious so he doesn't want to have se.x before marriage, but he says you can se.xually almost do everything, exept for IT before you get married... I don't think that's true... You can do OR nothing OR everything...

As you can see, I'm religious, but not traditional religious... I believe in God and I will follow Him wherever He may go (like they sing in Sister Act ), but I don't believe all the restrictions the church puts on religion... I think that's also a reason people do not go to church or believe in God... I mean, how can you believe in a loving God when you can't do anything in life?

deep discussion this is. treat it cautiously u must. different thinking everyone is. to each its own i say.

seek the truth u shall. find the answers u will.

 

serioComic:

deep discussion this is. treat it cautiously u must. different thinking everyone is. to each its own i say.

seek the truth u shall. find the answers u will.

 

i don't think it is possible to find the answers to questions as big as these...

to each its own i say. - why of course... but there is nothing wrong with healthy discussion, is there? (healthy? jeezums i sound 90!!)

i doubt anything people say here will make other people change their minds... people will always think they're right and the other is wrong... lol

this is just argument for argument's sake... so we can see new ideas and grow with them...

It's not about right or wrong. It's about what we believe and why. It's not as if we're trying to convince one another, we're just talking about it... It's great, if I may say so! Am Rani and I did this a lot when we were in the same class at school. We had a book where we were writing in about serious stuff. It's just cool to do this from time to time, and it makes you think about what is important for you and what you believe in. You learn more about yourself, and you can learn a lot from each other... That's great, isn't it?

And Serio, sometimes there are no answers to find... It's just that talking about serious stuff with other people will make you think more and let you look deep in your soul... You'll find yourself, but no answers...

Shakalaka Baby:

And Serio, sometimes there are no answers to find... It's just that talking about serious stuff with other people will make you think more and let you look deep in your soul... You'll find yourself, but no answers...

wah wah wah... kya baat hai...

Healthy discussion is good for the mind.

Just be cautious with phraseology. It isn't wise calling someone who believes in God or a god a 'fool' and vice versa.

vchenoah:

Healthy discussion is good for the mind.

Just be cautious with phraseology. It isn't wise calling someone who believes in God or a god a 'fool' and vice versa.

Exactly my thought.. If healthy, ppl shouldn't be called or classified as 'fool' or 'sheep'.
 

Whoooookay!!!! Missy Boo, a big up to ye for bringing up topic(s) sooooo many are reluctant to discuss…

God, religion, beliefs, sex, marriages, faith,  infidelity, love, friendship, racism, poverty, abuse…..to name a few topics that are considered tooo serious  or taboo to go into, but why the hell not???

We r definitely different in our beliefs, have individual opinions on all of the above…sooooo why not share it?? Some of what one may say, many may agree to or disagree…difference in opinion…..keeps everyone open-minded and aware of what is actually going on around this world of ours and how it actually affects us as individuals …..

Before I go on, note I  may be re-iterating on points given already, or go off the topic … for that I apologize in advance…..

Having faith/belief in Gods’ existence or lack of is an individual perception……no doubt about this statement !!!!

Definitely doesn’t hurt to discuss it though…

Firstly Boo, admitting u are an atheist, takes courage and is admirable

Many years ago, I was an atheist as well….. Hated everything about religion ….

Am born into a deeply religious family, well mom is a fanatic and ensured EVERYONE

Followed EVERY rule and regulation where my religion is concerned….

It used to drive me crazzzzzeeeee doing something I didn’t understand and feigning interest to the best of my ability and I rebelled to such an extent it caused many many heated arguments between mom and myself… As an individual, I don’t like being forced into anything….I tend to retaliate..And my  Mom forcing God and our religion and beliefs towards me, obviously resulted in my going in the opposite direction!!!

I never openly admitted to being an Atheist – this would have been a total disaster hehehehe...

I just never believed in God, never had faith and wouldn’t be open-minded about God’s existence…tooo many questions ----- not many answers…..or appropriate ones that would justify all the wrong in this world…I just couldn’t understand how a GOD could simply stand by and let Evil prevail…..beyond my comprehension…..the very same questions u ask, I have asked…pondered on and just gave up in the end..

“... I have myself and my own strength, my own beliefs, 'laws' about life that I abide by... ones that let me sleep without feeling guilty... there are some things that mean a lot to me, and my own beliefs and thoughts are one of them. I don't see any reason why I should compromise on them because some fool decides that 'God' is our boss... I am my own boss, although I don't see myself as a God of my own life... I am the one who decides the rights and wrongs in my life. I need neither a holy book nor a set of ideas about life thrust upon me by ANYONE... family, friends, well-wishers...

And you know what? I love it. I love the freedom that comes with being  me. I love being able to see the world through my own eyes, and not a pair of lenses that have been given to me...”  u knw wat I cudnt have said this better if I tried  ( okay I may be  able to but am tooo  busy r8 now ) and I agree 99% with all that u say here BOO, u will notice  minor changes, highlighted….but  at the end of it, its like u had taken all the above from my very thoughts…..in another life we could have been sisters hehehehe…

“But there is no actual proof of God… and when people say that God is in their hearts, I simply cannot argue with that. Because feelings are crazy, illogical… they need neither rhyme nor reason to just… be. And if they want to keep ‘God’ in them, then they can do so… but what irks me is RELIGION. The idea of RELIGION itself… the idea that some individuals can create rules for other people to follow, and the ‘society’ following them like blind sheep… sigh. I don’t see anything ‘true’ (for want of a better word? ‘Pure’? I don’t know… I hope you get what I mean…) in that… I simply see people losing all sense of thought and common sense, and replacing it with blindly following what others tell them to. Examples? The simple, pointless things… the ones that have nothing to do with ‘God’, but are simply the s h i t of society that people are expected to carry around with them… the idea of no s e x before marriage, for instance…. These have NOTHING whatsoever to do with having someone out there to look for for guidance and support (this being ‘God’, of course). THIS is what I am against”  here again,  I can safely say that U are saying what I feel…..straight from my heart…weird…but I do agree and support all u say above…..

Am I still an atheist, NOPE!!!! Do I follow religion and beliefs, YES !!!!!!! BUT I do it MY way…

Sooo lets tackle religion, beliefs an GOD and MY opinion on it….well a little of what I think on this vast subject:

Firstly I respect ALL religions….I am me….I don’t have a name to my religion, meaning during this past 10- 12 years, I stopped listening to my Mom and stopped  following what she thinks is the right way …..and I started looking into Who I am an wat my beliefs are….( like I said, I truly agree with above statements…I am my own boss )  …I am a Hindu, Muslim,  tamil ( yeah its still segregated – even as far away from India as I may be ) Jewish, Christian, to name a few…..i have my temple…deities I pray to… I worship and pray to Allah, Jesus, Mary, Buddha, Shiva, Shakti…..to name a few of the many Gods of the many Religions ….sooo wat does this make me??? A universal soul !!!! ???? Just stupid / confused (as many people have remarked same to me)???? …whatever  u make of my belief ?? is up to you…. I do study religion and listen open-mindedly to everyone …with the intention of learning, understanding!!! ….I question a lot …I question people, Moulana’s, priests, even my mom hehehehe  but mostly I question God, I question myself…an do I get my answers, YES!!! Through my own beliefs in myself – in knowing that  what I am doing is r8…feels r8 …makes me comfortable….I question every prayer I do, simply because I will not be subjected to follow blindly…I want to know why we do certain things, an being a universal Soul, there’s a lot of prayers/observations  I do therefore  question…at the end of the day as an educated, yet spiritually minded person…I know I will make the right decision on whether it is worthy to pursue or not…

most importantly, WHY do I follow the many religions I do??

 Because I want to!!!

 I know its right…

 Well, even my mom comments that my faith is admirable…

And it’s a huuuuuge compliment coming from her lips hehehehehe…. I think the best advise she had given me  which was fairly recently was :” u are born from my womb, and your dad and I have brought u up to the best of our ability, however  u are not my child…u as an individual , ur sent to here for a purpose..by your parent, GOD…be true to yourself, to your parent…in every aspect of your life, if u sincerely seek , u shall sincerely find “

We don’t choose the religion or family we are born into….but as  individuals we can choose the lifestyle we want to lead….I Love my born into religion …as God knows it comes straight from my heart when I say this… but  I have created my own religion in which I am happy to follow…whether it is the right way to everyone else doesn’t matter much to me…like I said…it feels right…an am true to myself and the GOD I believe in ……

One cannot blame GOD for the wrongs in their lives….or use religion to cover up for not doing what u know is the right / logical/sensible thing….

We – humans,  create our own mistakes. Heartaches, sorrows, pain, hurt, love, happiness etc….every problem regardless – has a solution…basically if a problem can actually arise, then it can also subside…

Death and love??? These come uninvited into many of our lives, we cant change or try to stop it ( errr sounds familiar – kank ) but we can learn from, grow with, respect it for what it is….if u are following my sense of thought….hope it makes sense to ye !!!

 NO Sex before marriage / the rituals we blindly follow/ etc etc etc  ….these are just man-made rules and regulations …my opinion….like I say, only u as an individual knows what’s true/right in yr heart…

Besides, an overall estimation, over 80% unmarried people engage in pre-marital sex….am not going to dwell on this …but  being prejudiced  ( AM RANI’S FWEND ) for having sex with a guy u love…regardless of whether that relationship will last, is tasteless and YET STILL practiced….ie condemning people especially women if they are not virgins before marriage, like I said another topic on its own…for another time….

Like I was saying one can’t blame GOD for everything….

 God is NOT my boss….for sure….but GOD is my creator, my only TRUST!!!  will leave it at that….

 Do I worship GOD, u betya, but I do it in the way I knw is right….a way only God an I understand…

Am I religious??, many who know me well, think I am a religious freak….I don’t think I am one…am still learning and I got a loooooong way to go…I do have my set of beliefs, my values…which I go by…sometimes….i do falter, screw up beeeeg time where my values are concerned…but this is part of growing up, making mistakes learning from them ….apologizing… rectifying my mistakes…I do feel guilt, its part of my human nature…an its healthy to an extent as well….

Have I seen God? YES!!!!

Have I felt God?? YES!!!

Am I a born Again??? Nope!!!!

How did I find God??? Through experiences I will not wish on anyone…..

At the end of the day, its not religion, coz like I said, one can amend theirs…and follow from their hearts

Its your faith in GOD, in YOURSELF …

 no one is obligated to have faith seeing as one states they cant see GOD….

Feelings are irrational……everyone is entitled to theirs …..Whether u believe in a GOD or NOT is up to each of you…..

I am not here to change anyone, disrespect anyone’s belief in anyway, OR  judge you… am just here at this time, sharing a little of my world and belief with ye….

vchenoah:

Healthy discussion is good for the mind.

Just be cautious with phraseology. It isn't wise calling someone who believes in God or a god a 'fool' and vice versa.

Point noted. But as i said, these are my honest opinions...

Maizara: first of all, welcome to the forum!

It is not my fault I see people who do such things as sheep... not EVERYONE who is religious is a 'sheep', perhaps I wasn't too clear on that (and I apologise) but those who blindly do so without questioning seem like sheep to me.

 And as for the fool, since it seems to be causing such hassles, i shall go and rephrase what i said... what i said made sense to me, and it was wrong of me to assume it would make sense to everyone else, too...

these are simply my honest, blunt, bare thoughts... but i will edit if it causes too much fuss.